tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post6952814514453829378..comments2024-03-07T02:17:34.434-08:00Comments on Tom In Paine: Obama lies again about Iraq to defend deal with Iran.Marc Rubinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-32960545819177759032015-08-07T08:53:30.237-07:002015-08-07T08:53:30.237-07:00"...common sense lead many of us (including a..."...common sense lead many of us (including all the Dem candidates) to very different conclusions."<br /><br />Speaking of facts and common sense, and "many of us", your ideas of facts and common sense and "many of us" obviously doesn't apply to Democratic senator Chuck Schumer the number 3 Democrat in the senate who said he is voting against the deal. Or the Democrats in the House who have already said they will vote against the deal. So I have no idea who "us" is other than those who support the deal and you are in the minority.<br /><br />And speaking of facts, when you have to make things up and invent straw men like Obama and invent out of whole cloth things people say that they didnt say, ( like "the Iranian surrender you think you could compel with sanctions" where you cannot find one sentence in the entire piece that makes that claim or even suggests it or mentions " sanctions compelling an Iranian surrender") it shows how empty the arguments of those supporting Obama's deal really are.<br /><br />Stick with facts and truth. Anyone voting for or supporting the deal based on their "conscience" is not using facts or truth. The struggle with one's conscience would be whether to support the deal in spite of the facts not because of them.If someone thought the facts supported the deal there would be no need to vote their conscience. That alone shows how weak the deal is even among those who think they have to support it. That is when someone has to struggle with their conscience.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-22884556005373178642015-08-06T19:05:49.507-07:002015-08-06T19:05:49.507-07:00tdraicer:
>It is not. It has nothing to do wit...tdraicer:<br /><br />>It is not. It has nothing to do with conscience but with facts and truth and common sense. <br /><br />Which, amazingly, exactly match what you (and Bibi) believe? But (in fact), facts and truth (as opposed to untrue facts?) and common sense lead many of us (including all the Dem candidates) to very different conclusions. Is the current deal ideal? No. Is it realistically better than no deal? Yes. The choice isn't this deal or war, but it is this deal or Iran is free of any restraint in pursuing a bomb. The Iranian surrender you and Bibi think we could compel with sanctions is not a fact, or common sense, but a dubious speculation.<br /><br />But we all have subjects where we go off the rails, and I'll just have to consider your views on the Iran deal in that light.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com