tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post2822658666458156943..comments2024-03-07T02:17:34.434-08:00Comments on Tom In Paine: Demolishing The Freeh Report and everyone who believed it one dishonest premise at a time.Marc Rubinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-69492485594361157912012-09-08T03:50:44.388-07:002012-09-08T03:50:44.388-07:00It is good to be angry in the face of injustice. ...It is good to be angry in the face of injustice. The students who went to the street did not go because they are football crazed idiots. They smelled the injustice with unjaded and young noses. Then our socalled leaders put them down to shut them up. You don't need guns and tear gas just humiliation and pr stunts now. Much less violent but not different from other forms of fascism. We live in an era where the weapon used to control others is information. This story is not scary because a great football coach was harmed, it is scary because it is evidence that we can no longer rely on the free press to protect our form of democracy. If this type of dishonesty passed all major news outlets, what the hack is going on at the federal level? We are sheep and we are being herded and it is about time for someone to get angry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-45645705072756234212012-08-21T06:53:34.926-07:002012-08-21T06:53:34.926-07:00SCrammeI am sick of the condemnation of Paterno. &...SCrammeI am sick of the condemnation of Paterno. "Coach" in the emails could have been Sandusky, Paterno, or any other coach for the Nittany Lions. <br />Sandusky's victims are survivors and deserve respect for having the courage to testify and stop a subhuman predator. Each of those men went up against "the powers that be" to end the sick run of a twisted individual who used football and fame to prey upon children. <br />How many of Sandusky's victims actually blame Paterno? Has anyone researched that? Everyone seems to assume they all blame Paterno but I haven't seen anything that indicates that more than one of them blame Paterno.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-22894610160946290822012-08-08T10:25:39.109-07:002012-08-08T10:25:39.109-07:00enCarve out the whole state? Thank goodness the l...enCarve out the whole state? Thank goodness the legal system isn't run by barstool moralists. Why not a human sacrifice? Let's start burning people we believe to be witches?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-204882098205912732012-08-08T10:13:36.407-07:002012-08-08T10:13:36.407-07:00I think this blog raises some good points about th...I think this blog raises some good points about the Freeh report and the lack of evidence that it bases its assertions. I use the word assertions because if the there was any substance to this report then there would be things in the report resembling FACTUAL EVIDENCE. <br /><br />The Freeh report is a pile of crap and who cares if the author of this blog sounds pissed off. More people should be angry. Angry that this report is the sum total of our expert people busting a case wide open. What a joke!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-75988481203518668612012-08-03T14:20:05.065-07:002012-08-03T14:20:05.065-07:00This.
It's not Sandusky. It's not even th...This.<br /><br />It's not Sandusky. It's not even that devil Paterno. It's this thing that has and continues to prop up Paterno. Part of the brainless, rabid, maniacal mob. <br /><br />Their mantra: "Mr Wins is the only god worth worshiping and Joe Paterno is His messenger." <br /><br />No mob. No Paterno. Sandusky nailed. No child abuse. <br /><br />And with that one groupthink brain synapse the mob sparked, it KNEW it was enabling criminality. Paterno openly obstructed justice when his football was caught commiting breaking, entering, assault, and battery felonies. Because he could backed by the mob. The mob was and is in effect a bunch of child rapists. Beyond dispicable.<br /> <br />Too bad when their god, Mr. Wins forsook them around 2004 the absolute believers and the Paterno apostates didn't destroy themselves in battle.<br /><br />At least some kids would now have lives.<br /><br />Screw the school. Carve out the whole state out.<br /><br />These things can't be human. If so, there really quite mad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-63588751547505104292012-07-28T09:52:20.950-07:002012-07-28T09:52:20.950-07:00Marc,
You might want to follow Aurabass and elim...Marc, <br /><br />You might want to follow Aurabass and eliminate anonymous comments. He must have gotten the idea from being booted off BSD. Anyway, he must have gotten tired of being mocked for his "World Conspiracy Against Joe" and "Man-Boy Shower" theories. You must be getting pretty tired too, I expect. <br /><br />Eventually, all cults turn inward. Joe's defenders, at least the true believers, really can't function in the light of day. People just won't tolerate child rape enablement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-21460413767993988832012-07-26T11:28:46.016-07:002012-07-26T11:28:46.016-07:00Victim 2 has come forward :
"Our client suff...Victim 2 has come forward :<br /><br />"Our client suffered extensive sexual abuse over many years both before and after the 2001 incident Michael McQueary witnessed in the Penn State Lasch building shower. <br /><br />"Penn State has now admitted and there is no longer any question that its top officials could have and should have prevented these acts. <br /><br />"Jerry Sandusky's abuse of Victim 2and other children is a direct result of a conspiracy to conceal Sandusky's conduct and the decisions by top Penn State officials that facilitated and enabled his access to victims."<br /><br />Now it's time for Marc and Aurabass to stop spreading that poisonous crap that Jerry and Victim 2 were playing patty cake or whatever bullshit you two and the other Joepologists concocted.<br /><br />Game over; Joe's in Hell.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-50164051545057486292012-07-25T13:26:29.070-07:002012-07-25T13:26:29.070-07:00I don't need to read this report (but I did) i...I don't need to read this report (but I did) in order to know that Paterno knew what was going on and did nothing. Coach Paterno was very successful at what he did and I'm sure ,like most successful people, he had a handle and knew about all things that concerned his program including Sandusky's disgusting habit of showering and touching boys. Anyone who thinks or believes otherwise is choosing to be blind.<br /><br />So many people had the opportunity to step up and intervene, and they didn't. So very sad...<br /><br />1998 incident: All those involved should have called the PA Police (not a psychologist, not the president, not the director of atheltics, not university police) and should have had Sandusky arrested. Including the mother of this victim. Charges should have been pressed. (Even if allegations were not enough, Sandusky should have been kicked off campus, keys revoked and removed from further association with University) <br /><br />2001: <br />Janitor #1: Walked in on Sandusky having oral sex in the shower. Right then and there he could have screamed, tackled Sandusky, hit him with a broom, wrapped a towel around the kid. Called the POLICE! Instead...nothing....<br /><br />McQueery: <br />Walked in on Sandusky...Could have done all of the above as well instead, Did NOTHING<br /><br />Paterno, Curley, & company: could have notified the BOT, had him arrested, refer to these incidents as the crimes they were and not "horseplay" Kicked Sandusky's ass off campus for life and dragged him through the mud, had him arrested...anything would have been better that what they did which was absolutely NOTHING.<br /><br />Actually, no what they did was line his pockets with $168,000, gave him full access to the facilities, allowed him the use of the various campuses for his summer camps, gave him the status of emeritus, gave him special box seats to games...practically rolled out the pedophile carpet and said "here, don't shower with kids, but we're giving you all other opportunities to groom them and make them feel all special and vulnerable so you can do your thing."<br /><br />Please, all these people defending this institution make me sick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-53788535270078030662012-07-24T20:48:32.406-07:002012-07-24T20:48:32.406-07:00How do you know that.....oh forget it...this one i...How do you know that.....oh forget it...this one is too far gone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-68935416598272720892012-07-24T20:46:05.572-07:002012-07-24T20:46:05.572-07:00Try this http://www.johnziegler.com/editorials_det...Try this http://www.johnziegler.com/editorials_details.asp?editorial=220. Not that I don't think this is an excellent blog, but Ziegler's style may appeal to you more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-74526367939372135132012-07-24T09:51:38.041-07:002012-07-24T09:51:38.041-07:00If the "lie" is that Joe covered up chil...If the "lie" is that Joe covered up child rape, people certainly have "come to believe it". But what are the "political, economic and/or military consequences" of that lie? That a football factory in central PA is going to lose a few more games for the rest of the decade? Who cares?<br /><br />Don't try to turn a sordid little band of immature and morally deficient men into world historical figures. Have a sense of proportion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-42214301734640347652012-07-24T08:03:32.495-07:002012-07-24T08:03:32.495-07:00“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating i...“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State"<br /><br />Joseph GoebbelsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-8964921405246589262012-07-23T22:54:19.883-07:002012-07-23T22:54:19.883-07:00"Everything about the Freeh Report and the re..."Everything about the Freeh Report and the reactions of the press and people who believe what they read without checking facts, or even applying common sense is how fascism took a foothold in Europe in the 1930's."<br /><br />Drooling Fascist says : Get a grip on yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-21108865782199019102012-07-23T19:28:48.749-07:002012-07-23T19:28:48.749-07:00Whew..Diane...time for a makeover.Whew..Diane...time for a makeover.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-50939924812960232792012-07-23T18:52:36.557-07:002012-07-23T18:52:36.557-07:00More innocent people may suffer before this blows ...More innocent people may suffer before this blows over; I say, too bad.Diane Schubachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15498135233644867489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-69161301539962603922012-07-23T18:44:48.122-07:002012-07-23T18:44:48.122-07:00At the end of the day people will believe what the...At the end of the day people will believe what they want to believe.<br />For those that feel that there's no way the Joe they thought they knew would have ever done this they will continue to believe he fostered no blame.<br />For those that believe he was just like most other coaches and primarily interested in wins and losses and his legacy, they will believe he helped cover it up.<br />It will be interesting to see if Curley elaborates on the conversations and emails in his trial.<br />That may answer a lot of questions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-81457918509901880352012-07-23T18:01:21.466-07:002012-07-23T18:01:21.466-07:00"Victim one's mother should be outraged f..."Victim one's mother should be outraged for not having enough sense to send her child alone with a stranger. It's called accountability and since they had none for their children it's easy to place blame on everyone else."<br /><br />You miserable excuse for a human being. Did Victim 1 himself "place blame on everyone else"? Let's look again at the person on whom Victim 1 placed the blame for his rape :<br /><br /><br />"Right now, he just feels a sense of ire and frustration that Joe Paterno and these bumbling administrators thought more to protect the football program and their old pal Jerry Sandusky than to consider for one split second his actual and potential victims. I don't think the English language has a word for the level of frustration Victim 1 feels over being molested after they made the decision to cover-up what Sandusky had done."<br /><br />You are more blatant about it but you are typical of Joe's supporters in your attitude toward the victims and their families, namely that they're trash. It's killing you that your hero was brought low by people whom you consider worthless. How dare they?<br /><br />Yes, it's true that when a mother is inattentive (for whatever reason), her child may "stray from the herd". But when HONORABLE, DECENT men and women see that child threatened by a predator, they don't, as Joe did, help the predator savage the child.<br /><br />By refusing to recognize the victims and their families as people like them, Joe's supporters are able to ignore the feelings of the victims towards Joe. You make me sick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-87653414506214080422012-07-23T17:37:40.119-07:002012-07-23T17:37:40.119-07:00hi tom! pedojoe is dead. no matter how hard yo...hi tom! pedojoe is dead. no matter how hard you suck, his dick won't get hard for you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-50961244352930702352012-07-23T17:18:22.705-07:002012-07-23T17:18:22.705-07:00The burden of proof is on those making the accusat...The burden of proof is on those making the accusations big guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-90480870448326331172012-07-23T08:27:31.519-07:002012-07-23T08:27:31.519-07:00Post in summary: Paterno COULD NOT have been the &...Post in summary: Paterno COULD NOT have been the "coach" referred to in the Freeh report because you put 2-1 odds on it being Sandusky. This is purely an assumption made by a man who will deflect blame towards everyone BUT the holy Paterno and cherry pick half-truths to prove a point that is vague at best.<br /><br />Note to other posters - Be careful. Marc is the only one allowed to make assumptions. If you make some of your own based on the evidence, be prepared for an attack that features 5th-grade name calling and a blatant lack of desire to discuss a complicated matter like a civilized human being.<br /><br />-MCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-60120644744534712412012-07-23T07:19:47.244-07:002012-07-23T07:19:47.244-07:00The key to who is responsible for the whole situat...The key to who is responsible for the whole situation besides Sandusky could very well be in 1998<br /> <br />Joe and the PSU admin's could not have made DPW take over for CYS<br />They could not have authorized CYS and Second Mile counselor to interview 6 over the objection of DA Arnold<br />They could not substitute Seasock's report for Dr. Chambers psych evaluation and they could not engineer the loss of Chambers report <br /><br />That had to come from someone in power at the State level <br /><br />Brief Summary: In 1998 CYS is replaced by DPW in the Victim 6 investigation and in the process A.Chambers damning psychological evaluation is hidden from DPW investigator Lauro. Instead a CYS counselor who worked with The Second Mile gives a "pedophile free" evaluation over the objection of DA Arnold to Lauro who advises Gricar to close the case. Sandusky goes undiscovered. Sounds downright Machiavellian but the Freeh Report reveals that's what happened. Ironic isn't it? Freeh could have actually cleared Joe and PSU and discovered the real reason that Sandusky was not found out in 1998? <br /><br />The Second Mile may be up to their necks in this but we will likely never know what they knew. The organizations assets and likely all their files and computers have been taken by Arrow Ministries of Houston headed by a Republican who hails from central Pennsylvania and is close personally with the Governor and other prominent PA Republicans. Arrow Foundation Ministry and Arrow to take over Second Mile see second item down the list <br /><br />Who was it? Mike Fisher then the Attorney General or Tom Corbett his predecessor? It certainly wasn't Joe Tim or Gary. Who let JS off the hook in 1998? Someone invested in the Second Mile. <br /><br />Link: 1998 So Close to an End for Sandusky http://notpsu.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-second-mile-involvement-suspicion.htmlBarry Bozemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03484041114078117845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-1860073666657474662012-07-23T02:20:35.143-07:002012-07-23T02:20:35.143-07:00For all the Penn State fans in denial, you have Vi...For all the Penn State fans in denial, you have Victim 1's mother who stated Paterno knew and did nothing. In addition, the second incident was reported at Paterno's home by his assistant in detail. Paterno indicates that "something of a sexual nature" had occurred; however, he failed to notify anyone because it was the weekend. He did not want to "disrupt" anyone's weekend. Hopefully, you will not continue to idolize a man who fails to act on an allegation of sexual abuse of a child to not disrupt someone's weekend. That is totally logical--right? It is appropriate to mention the problem the athletics department had with the incident involving Rene Portland and her discrimination. Armed with this inforomation, how can you be sure Paterno was not aware of her position to defy university policy? He did make the recommendation for her hire. Obviously Penn State has a huge problem with the tail wagging the dog. Your administration and coaches have demonstrated the opinion policy and law is subjective to interpretation. They are WRONG. It is time to remove your head from the sand, admit there is a problem, and take every measure to prevent a future occurence. As some have stated, sanctions will not reverse any damage these children suffered, but hopefully it will deter universities that seek to enable child predators in the name of a game. Penn State is an academic institution, but it is apparent they desperately need an education--enter NCAA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-22847896527182349912012-07-22T22:57:20.871-07:002012-07-22T22:57:20.871-07:00To the individual who stated this,
"I find it...To the individual who stated this,<br />"I find it ironic that you consider those who believe anything in the Freeh Report as mindless sheep, when your desire to disagree with everything based simply on your own conjecture makes you exactly what you protest against"<br />I find it ironic how you prove his point. Paterno is innocent until proven guilty. Nothing is even remotely close to proven, except Freeh's "leaps of faith" and unfouned conclusions. If Paterno did know about the investigation in 1998, then he also knew it had been thoroughly investigated and it deemed not illegal. <br />Did you actually read the report?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-8714457869402872682012-07-22T22:48:51.817-07:002012-07-22T22:48:51.817-07:00Reading the report before reading the reviews, I c...Reading the report before reading the reviews, I completely agree. I expected to find the "smoking gun", but it just is not there. It is sickening to me how many media outlets and people imn general just accept the perception of Freeh's report without critically reading it and discovering how troubling it is. This report does not prove anything to me, except how uneducated the sheeple really are. I am nearly speechless and shocked over this UNDERWHELMING report.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-9512290190063995642012-07-22T20:27:42.565-07:002012-07-22T20:27:42.565-07:00I find it ironic that you consider those who belie...I find it ironic that you consider those who believe anything in the Freeh Report as mindless sheep, when your desire to disagree with everything based simply on your own conjecture makes you exactly what you protest against. It reminds me of a rant by an angry, rebellious teenager who simply disagrees with anything proffered by any adult in a position of authority.<br /><br />Also ironic is the way you dispute the factual nature of the Freeh Report by using massive amounts of conjecture.<br /><br />I came to this blog post searching for intellectual discource on a complex topic. Unfortunately, I found the exact opposite. I am quite comfortable with your right to publish your own opinion in your own blog, but I did feel a need to discuss the extremely poor logic used in the entry in the comment section.<br /><br />I must admit my own bias though. I was immediately skeptical about the entry when I noticed that you butchered the supposed Will Rogers quote at the beginning (although it did accurately relay the intent of his quote), and the multiple spelling errors did make me question your attention to detail before I read your main argument. I do feel that you have the potential to write intelligently on this topic, but you do set the Support Joe Paterno movement with this illogical drivel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com