tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post8813705851046439721..comments2024-03-07T02:17:34.434-08:00Comments on Tom In Paine: HOW OBAMA LOSES THE ELECTION IN 30 SECONDS.Marc Rubinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-53369937523548385212008-10-09T22:59:00.000-07:002008-10-09T22:59:00.000-07:00Wow ... great commercial, I could see that one rea...Wow ... great commercial, I could see that one really playing out. Would love to see it put together at least for youtube and blast it all over. Obama is slicker and scarier than Slick Willy ... who would'a thunk it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-168391000882368212008-07-22T20:38:00.000-07:002008-07-22T20:38:00.000-07:00We have no other reason to vote for John McCain ot...We have no other reason to vote for John McCain other than his service experience? <BR/><BR/>He's told us he doesn't know much about the economy, that the economy is doing well, why doesn't that give us pause? <BR/><BR/>We really believe that if the Democratic candidate is elected he'll govern like it's a joke? Oops, no weapons of mass destruction under here! <BR/><BR/>And finally, the Iraq Prime Minister says he endorses the Democratic candidate's plan for withdrawal from a place that's costing us family members and billions of dollars a month, why do we vote for McCain?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-11901929174402565252008-07-12T20:32:00.000-07:002008-07-12T20:32:00.000-07:00Mr. Rubin,Still drinking the HRC kool-aid? What's ...Mr. Rubin,<BR/><BR/>Still drinking the HRC kool-aid? What's the deal, or are you really a "stealth" Republican?<BR/><BR/>This blog and your "denver group" blog are two recent, unknown blogs talking to each other.<BR/><BR/>The sound must be boring as those two marbles bounce around inside your skull.<BR/><BR/>Just so you know I don't think you've lost them all.<BR/><BR/>When will they let you out into the dayroom for recreation?<BR/><BR/>--a Democratic liberal since the middle of the last century, GregNewsstandGreghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04099049885765768069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-18791296911087822782008-07-12T16:17:00.000-07:002008-07-12T16:17:00.000-07:00Like McCain and the repubs aren't about power and ...Like McCain and the repubs aren't about power and money . Wake up folks , it's politics . Hilary is no better than either presumptive candidate . The only person talking real cahnge was Ron Paul and you all laughed at him ... <BR/>So suck it up and Buck up .<BR/>Oh Yeah , where were you DIE HARDS 8 years ago ???<BR/>StrangeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-38662912763377687142008-07-12T13:09:00.000-07:002008-07-12T13:09:00.000-07:00It is now 4:AM and you have slept past the time ne...It is now 4:AM and you have slept past the time needed to do something good for America. Please wake up from the Billery dream we are now in the 21st Century.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-63488678273687700152008-07-05T18:09:00.000-07:002008-07-05T18:09:00.000-07:00Hi Marc: I loved reading this site myself being an...Hi Marc: I loved reading this site myself being an republican, but leaning towards Hillary what a fighter my words exactly what Beth says. And a great ad I would write the words unamerican trinity church<BR/> bethtopaz said... <BR/>First, let me compliment you on your excellent writing ability.<BR/><BR/>Second, I am a Conservative Republican (not happy with the GOP right now, though) and finding your site and hundreds of sites like yours, gives my heart relief and hope for our country.<BR/><BR/>I thought the whole democratic party had gone absolutely mad choosing this imposter, Obama, for their nominee.<BR/><BR/>DeeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-22973600579137801802008-07-04T06:44:00.000-07:002008-07-04T06:44:00.000-07:00I agree with the other commenters about the "black...I agree with the other commenters about the "black church". Here's what I would say instead:<BR/><BR/>"For 17 years Barack Obama wouldn't stand up for America against the repeated anti-American statements made by his own pastor and acknowledged spiritual mentor until his political ambitions made it necessary."<BR/><BR/>Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-45273142501285482882008-07-04T01:34:00.000-07:002008-07-04T01:34:00.000-07:00Marc, I have never commented on your blog, but I l...Marc, I have never commented on your blog, but I love to read it and thank you for your insights, it is great reading, indeed.<BR/><BR/>I am thinking about the "black" church and what you said was your point about the friendly environment. No matter if a friendly environment (or hostile)is black, yellow or white. I think you visualize in your ad that it's that exact chruch and therefore will be visually clear. You are surely an expert on selective perception, there would be no chance of explaining what you meant when the ad hits that "unfriendly" environment.<BR/>I do hope somehow to be able to see your excellent ad before the end of August.<BR/>Thanks for what you do with the Denver Group, it shows your's and Heidi Li's creativness; something we badly we need in this situation, it would be that "third" way in a big dilemma.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-89356631525170556672008-07-03T23:27:00.000-07:002008-07-03T23:27:00.000-07:00Thanks, Marc for considering feedback. I am one of...Thanks, Marc for considering feedback. <BR/><BR/>I am one of your biggest fans...(though it seems that I'd probably have to arm wrestle for that honor (since so many admire/love your writing.)<BR/><BR/>But given that the MSM has repeatedly AND successfully painted opponents of Obama as racists (not to mention the Clintons) logic is not ruling...<BR/><BR/>And it seems (imho) that absolutely any remark that can faintly be construed as racists will be used to vilify/discredit anyone accused of using such terms...despite logic or intentions.<BR/><BR/>So...I am also voting that you remove word "black" and use just "church" (or maybe even "racist church" would make point.)<BR/><BR/>(Also...as someone who grew up as the only Jewish person in an anti-semitic environment...I really understand what it can be like to feel accused/identified/vilified based on worst behavior of group.<BR/><BR/>It can be wounding...and contribute to distrust of the OTHER...(contributing to a WE/THEY mentality.)<BR/><BR/><BR/>(And believe me...I know what I experienced does not compare with racism. But it just gives me a hint of what it feels like. So, I'm at least personally inclined to go the extra mile not to say anything that can be misconstrued as negative about other races.)<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>What I find disturbing about Obama's association with Trinity...is not that rage was expressed there...but there is no indication that there was an approach that would truly contribute to the harmony/unity that Obama claims as his platform... <BR/><BR/>If he's the candidate of unity...why wasn't he drawn to a minister like<BR/>MLK, jr. who acknowledged the pain/hurt but provided wisdom/love/insight to overcome it...and move beyond it...not in some superficial way...but in a healing/empowering way...that we still need to learn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-40121069222657065342008-07-03T23:15:00.000-07:002008-07-03T23:15:00.000-07:00It really is true about taking their kids to that ...It really is true about taking their kids to that church. When I first heard about the church, I was unclear what had happened and how much might be about cultural differences. From that position I became more and more aware that what happened there was really not OK. Maybe some good happened there, probably did, but a lot not OK too and not OK for children. When I think of taking those innocent little girls to hear men on the pulpit spewing unmitigated hatred. Sure some adults might be able to view that as hatred towards the "oppression", but to children it is just hating whitey and growing up to hate whitey. He could not do this to the children, I assume he loves, unless he believed hating whitey was a good thing to pass on to the fruit of his loins, to who most people give their best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-6310398921919342222008-07-03T22:59:00.000-07:002008-07-03T22:59:00.000-07:00Wonderful article - great insights and TV ad, so...Wonderful article - great insights and TV ad, someone posted that you should make the Ad and post it on You Tube, I agree and then send it to Larry Johnson at No Quarter, then to the RNC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-22066740464145768192008-07-03T16:39:00.000-07:002008-07-03T16:39:00.000-07:00"The point is that he sat in a racist church not t..."The point is that he sat in a racist church not that it was a "black" racist church, there are plenty of white ones out there too, I'm sure."<BR/><BR/>since there are two other comments that agree with you Im going to give more consideration to what you have to say and rethink it. Again the only point of mentioning that it was a black church at all had nothing to do racism, or that that black churches are somehow all of one kind which they are obviously not, but only to say that Obama was in a familial, freindly environment and didnt speak out against Wright's comments while McCain was in the most hostile environment one can imagine and refused to make anti-American statements. But I'm going to give further thought to your comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-15799578015770088572008-07-03T16:32:00.000-07:002008-07-03T16:32:00.000-07:00"P.S.: I am a member of Women for Fair Politics, w..."P.S.: I am a member of Women for Fair Politics, whose approach in working to defeat Obama you seem to feel is "not as constructive" as the Denver Group's."<BR/><BR/>I think in the give and take of the interview I probably wasnt as clear as I could have been and should have been since I seem to have left the wrong impression with you about what youre group is doing. Im completely sympathetic to what youre doing and as you see on my own blog I have been opposing Obama since the first time I ever heard him speak and tagged him as a snakeoil salesman with no scruples or convictions.<BR/>What you are doing and other groups like Risehillaryrise and the Just Say No coalition are things I support. But what Im hoping we can accomplish with the Denver Group is simply that come November we wont have Obama to kick around any more. I also agree with you about not having faith in the leadership of the Democratic Party and that is another function of the Denver Group. To pressure them and force them to do the right thing because left to their own devices they probably wouldnt.<BR/><BR/>I know of your group I support your group and what Im hoping for the most is that with Hillary's name on the ballot where it belongs when that convention is over there wont be a reason to go after Obama anymoreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-68026221846915084532008-07-03T13:57:00.000-07:002008-07-03T13:57:00.000-07:00Marc,Make the commercial and post it to YouTube. Y...Marc,<BR/><BR/>Make the commercial and post it to YouTube. You'll be doing the entire country a service. I also believe there's a link on the McCain website inviting people to post their own commercials.<BR/><BR/>P.S.: I am a member of Women for Fair Politics, whose approach in working to defeat Obama you seem to feel is "not as constructive" as the Denver Group's. In my own defense, as well as others, we have simply lost faith in the Democratic Party leadership and do not believe they will do the right thing at the convention. So we're trying to move on and plot a strategy for November.<BR/><BR/>That does not mean, though, that I don't support your cause and hope that you are successful in pressuring the DNC to allow Hillary Clinton's name to be placed in nomination in Denver. Earlier today I went on the Denver Group's web site and donated money to that cause and I challenge others here to do the same. We can make a difference, but it is time to speak with cash in order to accomplish our goals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-59349670562389058322008-07-03T12:21:00.000-07:002008-07-03T12:21:00.000-07:00I must say that my first thought at seeing "black ...I must say that my first thought at seeing "black church" was that it would unnecessarily get the pc police in a tizzy. No matteri what your intent it will be twisted. I agree with the AA person =it should just be church in chicago or trnity church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-50283546439442524712008-07-03T10:48:00.000-07:002008-07-03T10:48:00.000-07:00Well, McCain has finally sealed the deal with big ...Well, McCain has finally sealed the deal with big hitters in the Christian Right community...This was something he was working on and needed...It may offset Obama's push with the younger religious crowd...<BR/><BR/>“Matthew 25 Network PAC Hits Christian Radio with Pro-Obama Ad as Christian Conservative Leaders Decide to Support McCain<BR/>http://preview.tinyurl.com/47q9vl<BR/><BR/>Oh, boy…religion all the time…what issues will be overlooked by the barrage of religiousity??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-38731875675038587672008-07-03T08:15:00.000-07:002008-07-03T08:15:00.000-07:00Wow what a great commercial. I do hope the McCain ...Wow what a great commercial. I do hope the McCain camp uses it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-48114538141420146102008-07-02T19:55:00.000-07:002008-07-02T19:55:00.000-07:00please oh please make that commericalplease oh please make that commericalUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11265813252951444168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-4566647057652849102008-07-02T19:15:00.000-07:002008-07-02T19:15:00.000-07:00The proof that it's too volatile a statement is ev...The proof that it's too volatile a statement is evidenced right here. I think everyone who's posted knows what you meant, but it's STILL causing controversy, and that's among people who agree with the ad. Imagine if someone wanted to turn the ad against you.<BR/>You don't need to be handing them the ammo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-60957817291487547322008-07-02T19:08:00.000-07:002008-07-02T19:08:00.000-07:00Marc said"I must respectfully disagree that in ref...Marc said<BR/>"I must respectfully disagree that in referring to Obama's " black church" that it could be construed as referring to any and all black churches since Im sure anyone who has been following the primary season knows it is specifically the Trinity Church that is being referred to."<BR/><BR/>But there's intent, vs. perception. As you just said "anyone following the primary would know" but many people WEREN'T following, and even those that did would STILL seize upon that one little adjective to ruin the entire point of the ad. <BR/>The point is that he sat in a racist church not that it was a "black" racist church, there are plenty of white ones out there too, I'm sure. <BR/><BR/>If the ad is phrased that way, it will fail.<BR/><BR/>This is why commercials, movies, just about ANYthing is test marketed FIRST to catch fatal flaws before going live. And that most definitely qualifies as one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-39421964389788439202008-07-02T13:55:00.000-07:002008-07-02T13:55:00.000-07:00"...gave you very perceptive advice about deleting..."...gave you very perceptive advice about deleting the adjective "black" before "church." It sounds like a blanket indictment of all black churches"<BR/><BR/>I must respectfully disagree that in referring to Obama's " black church" that it could be construed as referring to any and all black churches since Im sure anyone who has been following the primary season knows it is specifically the Trinity Church that is being referred to.<BR/><BR/>And my point in mentioning that it was a black church was not to comment on black churches at all but only to point out that Obama was in a freindly environment when Wright was making his anti-American statments and McCain was in an extremely hostile environment and I was contrasting the two.<BR/><BR/>It was actually Obama himself in his speech in Philadelphia who related Trinity to all black churches which I thought was dishonest when he referred to black churches and their role ( as he saw it ) in the black community. But since Trinity preached the doctrine of Black Theology and most black churches dont I dont think it was a fair comparison.<BR/><BR/>In any event, I dont think I'm indicting ANY black church for any reason.<BR/><BR/>My main point was that Obama was in friendly surroundings during his 17 year relationship with Wright and McCain was in hostile and dangerous surroundings. I dont think people will draw the inference that Trinity was like most black churches or that I was lumping black churches in general ith Trinity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-56885889420160835782008-07-02T12:59:00.000-07:002008-07-02T12:59:00.000-07:00Marc,The poster Anonymous, July 1, 2008 10:07 PM, ...Marc,<BR/>The poster Anonymous, July 1, 2008 10:07 PM, (identifies himself as a black man, if you're not sure which "Anonymous" he is) gave you very perceptive advice about deleting the adjective "black" before "church." It sounds like a blanket indictment of all black churches. Also, if someone named "Rubin" seems to stigmatize black people, he will be providing ammunition for the likes of Farrakhan, Jackson Sr. and Jr., Sharpton, Wright, etc. They will resort to their favorite lie about Jews being anti-black and use a non-issue to divert attention from your ad's anti-Obama message.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-23245758475222300032008-07-02T11:56:00.000-07:002008-07-02T11:56:00.000-07:00Excellent piece today, and terrific ad! As predic...Excellent piece today, and terrific ad! As predicted, the crater dive has already begun and the nomination is not even secured yet. But then...cleary DNC leadership and the Obama camp are already terrified or they wouldn't be fighting so hard to keep everyone off the first ballot but Obama, perpetrating cyber terror and intimidation tactics. <BR/><BR/>The bottom line is that anyone who changes their mind so reliably demonstrates beyond question their absence of good judgment and qualifications to lead a nation.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work Marc!Truthisgoldenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17613862179197569332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-16125144393843425582008-07-02T11:15:00.000-07:002008-07-02T11:15:00.000-07:00Hi Marc:For me, you're preaching to the choir. I ...Hi Marc:<BR/><BR/>For me, you're preaching to the choir. I have major problems with McCain on policy issues but found the veiled attack on the man's military record disgusting. I read that the Obama folks were sending up a trial balloon, just to see if that line of attack worked. I doubt that reason. I think the whole Obama bunch are arrogant and ruthless and will do whatever they think will scoop up a few more votes.<BR/><BR/>In this case and with all the latest Obama reversals, I think they should start counting the disappearing votes. He won't get my vote. In the beginning I thought the man was simply a fraud, a pretender to the throne. But now, I think Obama and his army of Obamatrons are dangerous and need to be stopped.<BR/><BR/>I've been a lifelong Dem, but I'll vote for John McCain in November and pray that he wins.<BR/><BR/>PUMApac.orgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-69672710862860582952008-07-02T10:56:00.000-07:002008-07-02T10:56:00.000-07:00Great post. Unfortunately, the GOP doesn't have t...Great post. Unfortunately, the GOP doesn't have the cojones to run any such ad, and frankly, McCain would put the kibosh on it himself like he tried to do when the GOP in N.C. ran an ad about Obama. I'm about as conservative as they come, and <A HREF="http://myrantsandmusings.blogspot.com/2008/06/chickens-coming-home-to-roost.html" REL="nofollow">here's what I think McCain needs to do to turn things around</A>. It's worth a quick read. ;-)<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good workOwnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03553043226153797463noreply@blogger.com