tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post8706387957688742636..comments2024-03-07T02:17:34.434-08:00Comments on Tom In Paine: Strauss-Kahn case collapses along with the values of those certain he was guilty.Marc Rubinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-2018228641034500142011-07-04T07:12:26.874-07:002011-07-04T07:12:26.874-07:00""She deserves to go to prison for what ...""She deserves to go to prison for what she did and I hope she does.At the very least they should deport her."<br /><br />And you have the gall to whine about hypocrisy. So a rich white famous French man is assumed to be innocent until proven guilty, but a poor black maid is obviously has no rights in your warped perspective. You seem to have no problem with believing the media narrative, from a unidentified leaked source no less, when the maid is concerned. Sentence first trial later?<br /><br />So lets flip the argument, how do you know what she has or has not done? How did you achieve clairvoyance? Where YOU there in the hotel room to observe everything? Why the sudden rush to judgement, oh defender of the falsely accused?<br /><br />"I made the point that based on the "facts" alleged by the maid and released by prosecutors, it was virtually impossible to believe anything could have taken place as the maid described. Not just based on logic and common sense but physically what she described could not have happened."<br /><br />Really? You have now become an expert interviewer, able to make better judgements than trained law enforcement officers working under enormous time constraints? Interesting. Obviously you should schedule time with the NYC Police and Prosecutor's office so they can gain your valuable insights. Not only that, you have become an expert in physics, anatomy, physiology, and the interactions of two people you have never met; impressive.<br /><br />Or maybe, the authorities looked at the physical evidence and thought they had enough to arrest our poor French dear. It was a snap decision made under horrendous time constraints. The man was about to fly away from the jurisdiction; what to do if the accusation from the maid was true? You Mr. Rubin have the luxury of hindsight, law enforcement had no such luxury. Something happened in that hotel room, something possibly illegal.<br /><br />But coming back to the original point; I'm still not going to lose sleep over Strauss-Kahn. He got himself into this mess. All he had to do was thank that maid for the good job she had done, and offered a generous tip. The maid is there to clean the room, period, end of discussion, have a nice day. <br /><br />Don't fret, the IMF will still be a tool of Corporatist hegemony, run by big business for big business. It matters not a whit who is on top of that particular shit pile, that position will alway be held by the biggest, nastiest, most disease-ridden fly around. The IMF will continue to roll along, crushing the lives of hundreds of millions of people the world over. <br /><br />As for the media, it is going to keep on keeping on. As long as we reward its bad behavior, it will continue to act like a ill-behaved five year old. My question is why of all the examples of egregious media behavior, the treatment of Strauss-Kahn was the one that got highlighted? Why the sympathy for a man who needed no such succor? I'm supposed to care that this man lost his IMF position when millions of US Citizens have exhausted all their benefits and still can't find a job? The hell I am. I'm supposed to weep because he no longer qualifies for the sinecure of being the President of France? <br /><br />Not happening; innocent women and children in Pakistan, Libya and Afghanistan are being pink-misted by drones sent by our idiot-savant President--that is the real outrage. That same man is overseeing a massive violation of our 4th, 5th, and 8th amendments. He declaimed himself judge, jury and executioner of an U.S. Citizen via the “war on terror.” That is much more important than the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune that Mr Strauss-Kahn had to endure. Weep if you must for the man, I’m having none of it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07881103048419383597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-23182008058742055842011-07-02T18:06:35.124-07:002011-07-02T18:06:35.124-07:00.."Why is it all or nothing with you? It is p....."Why is it all or nothing with you? It is possible for the accusation to be true while the accuser lied about details unrelated to the attack, such as whether she completed her shift that day"<br /><br />you obviously are not well informed about what prosecutors and law enforcement has already told the press, such as the fact that she lied about everything related to her alleged rape,(reported by the NY Times and AP), she lied about what she did after the alleged rape,which was she went and cleaned TWO rooms before deciding to tell management she was raped, she lied under penality of perjury fabricating a story of being gang raped when she was in New Guinea and according to the BBC called a friend who was in prison in Arizona and not knowing prisons phone calls are monitered is quotd as saying, " the man has a lot of money. I know what Im doing". Is that enough? And even without that, no fair minded person with a shred of logic or common sense could have read her account of what happened and not known it was preposterous and never could have happened and there is not a shred of physical evidence to support it. So yes I was relatively certain from the beginning that she was lying and Im fairly certain I know what happened, the sex was consensual and he probably paid for it or he promised he would and stiffed her, and this was either revenge on her part or a way to make a financial score and he is totally innocent.<br /><br /> But my larger point was that without conclusive proof the press had no business dragging his name through the mud and they should treat anyone accused of a sex crime with the same anonymity they give an accuser of all there is nothing but an accusation. <br /><br />She deserves to go to prison for what she did and I hope she does.At the very least they should deport her.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-24995275048466213392011-07-02T10:55:39.720-07:002011-07-02T10:55:39.720-07:00Did anon. even read the original article?Did anon. even read the original article?tamerlanenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-54396540495359822252011-07-02T10:24:48.321-07:002011-07-02T10:24:48.321-07:00Why is it all or nothing with you? It is possible ...Why is it all or nothing with you? It is possible for the accusation to be true while the accuser lied about details unrelated to the attack, such as whether she completed her shift that day. You do not seem to be able to put yourself into the position of a low income immigrant hotel service employee, much less a woman, and understand what it would mean to her to lose her job. The evidence in this situation will be presented during a trial, not in a NY Times report (remember the bias of the report on the gang-rape a while back in which the lives of the "boys" were protected while the victim was vilified in a major newspaper). <br /><br />You don't know whether he is guilty or not. That he has been complained about before does not support the likelihood of his innocence. Your prior claim that he should be treated as someone framed still makes little sense to me and sounds like the paranoia that fuels the men's rights movement.<br /><br />If you think thisk this guy deserves the benefit of the doubt, so does the woman accusing him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-16726961029559383372011-07-02T08:59:07.849-07:002011-07-02T08:59:07.849-07:00Wow, Mr. Paine! -- you dared speak some common sen...Wow, Mr. Paine! -- you dared speak some common sense on a subject that the radfems had declared verboten. Good for you, and shame on them for crapping all over you.<br /><br />Oh, you missed this gem from Mr. Ala, obviously a member of the radfem's castrati chorus:<br /><br />" hows that whole being a poster boy for Rape Culture working out? Are you a professional misogynist or is this just a hobby?"<br /><br />Step away from the Andrea Dworkin, Jimmy! There is no "rape culture", there is no "patriarchy." Are you trying to impress chicks at latte liberal cocktail parties, or is spouting bullshit just a hobby of yours?<br /><br />False accusations of rape run at about 2% -- the same rate as false reports of other crimes. So why should "innocent until proven guilty" be scrapped for this charge only?tamerlanenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-73988037866983551952011-07-01T23:43:55.378-07:002011-07-01T23:43:55.378-07:00Kudos to you Mr. Rubin!! I am an eternal lurker on...Kudos to you Mr. Rubin!! I am an eternal lurker on this site and I enjoy your insight. I had no idea whether DSK was guilty or innocent, but at the time of your post, I wholeheartedly agreed with your position that the accused should be treated with the same deferrece as the accuser. I am glad that we were vindicated. Continue writing! I'll be reading :)TheRocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-57955395371553597242011-07-01T10:32:28.360-07:002011-07-01T10:32:28.360-07:00Reuters: "Strauss-Kahn accuser cleaned anothe...Reuters: "Strauss-Kahn accuser cleaned another room after the incident, contrary to what she told grand jury. - NY prosecutors.<br /><br />Those who believed the story need to step back and admit their gullibility, but won't. Instead they will adhere to their position with bogus arguments. All those who didn't look at the cold facts, and Strauss-Kahn's policies at the IMF (he was at odds with bankers), will again be played in the next phony accusation. Rape is a real crime, but unfortunately it is being used for political reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-42907965130620092212011-07-01T09:22:20.834-07:002011-07-01T09:22:20.834-07:00It was a set up from day one. Lagarde is now the h...It was a set up from day one. Lagarde is now the head of the IMF and there's no more need to keep him in jail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com