tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post8058470499569064986..comments2024-03-07T02:17:34.434-08:00Comments on Tom In Paine: Supreme Court ruling on 2nd amendment proves conservative hypocrisy and dishonestyMarc Rubinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-14875777607447446112010-07-26T09:25:32.597-07:002010-07-26T09:25:32.597-07:00You know what is so nice about the relative freedo...You know what is so nice about the relative freedom we have had here for a while? You have the right to be a complete idiot who can't even read the constitution. Why don't you start thinking like adults are supposed to? Why don't you stop being so violent as to promote using mob rule and big guns to suppress the people and tell them what they can and cannot own? Why don't you give up your holier than thou political elitist caste system attitude and start thinking of people as individuals with equal rights?<br /><br />You have the right to make stupid comments like this, but if you vote for a proponent of gun regulation, it is no different than hiring someone to use violence against many many peaceful people.<br /><br />If I pay someone to go to your home and violently force you to comply with my demands, that is what evil is.<br /><br />So please stop telling people to be violent. It is disgusting how you enjoy hurting peaceful people so much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-28792208043292800782010-07-16T14:23:44.217-07:002010-07-16T14:23:44.217-07:00"I guess the statement "We the people of..."I guess the statement "We the people of the United States" really means "We the state of the United States". I hope not."<br /><br />You are absolute right that is exactly what it means and has meant since the Revolution and the day the constitution was ratified. It is "We the people of the United States" and it means just that -- the people of the states, agreeing to be united ( as in United States) to form one entity.<br /><br />Congratualtions you now know more about the constitution, it's meaning and purpose and the meaning of the second amendment than you did before and probably more than most conservatives.<br /><br />When the constitution is conferring an individual right, it uses the word "person" as it does in the 4th and 5th amendments. When it uses the word "people" it means exactly what Webster says it means -- the collective -- all the people of each state.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-26443580330001553622010-07-15T14:17:36.124-07:002010-07-15T14:17:36.124-07:00I guess the statement "We the people of the U...I guess the statement "We the people of the United States" really means "We the state of the United States". I hope not. <br /><br />If you believe the "state" has the right to regulate guns, then you should not be opposed to give that state the right to regulate speech, religion, or anything. If you disagree with this statement you are a hypocrite. Define hypocrite? Because there where and still are many hypocrites in our political system, the “privilege and immunities clause” 14th Amendment was created. <br /><br />Plus if you really want to dive into it. You could look at The Supremacy Clause in the United States Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2. <br />” This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”<br /><br />Maybe the fathers got it right and the you got it wrong?<br /><br />tonyspdxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-55961522436495847722010-06-29T11:41:46.446-07:002010-06-29T11:41:46.446-07:00"Define the word "people". "
..."Define the word "people". "<br /><br />The term "people" has a very specific definition in the Constitution. It means the states, or "the people" of the individual states. Thats why the premable begins "We the people of the United States...". Remember that at the time the United States meant just that -- united states -- it wasnt another term for America.<br /><br />The word "people" in the constitution is always referring to "the people" of the states not individuals. To this day in any state court, a trial is always "the people" vs. so and so.<br /><br />Also when the constitution is referring to an individual right, it uses the word "person" as it does in the 5th amendment. When it is talking about a collective right or a states right it uses the term "people".Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-29791297606155637452010-06-29T10:22:49.284-07:002010-06-29T10:22:49.284-07:00"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to..."A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."<br /><br />Define the word "people". <br /><br />It’s not in upper case, so it’s not a title. Webster defines people as "human beings making up a group or assembly or linked by a common interest".<br /><br />Let’s take the 1st Ammd. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"<br /><br />Is it a stretch to say that in 1st Ammd “people” is defined as a group with common interests? Maybe.<br /><br />How about the 4th Ammd. “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” Could we say “people” is defined as a group with common interests? I think so.<br /><br />So tell me why is the “people” defined as “militia” in the 2nd Ammd and that definition does not hold true for the entire Bill of Rights. Hmmmm. <br /><br />Was it just bad grammar by the founding fathers, was it that they just didn’t think that one through all the way. Probably not. <br /><br />What’s great about 5th graders is that when you show them the Bill of Rights, they actually get it. They are not blinded by political idealism.<br /><br />tonyspdxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com