tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post3893997443783451526..comments2024-03-07T02:17:34.434-08:00Comments on Tom In Paine: FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN: TOO LITTLE FOR OBAMA BUT NOT TOO LATE FOR CLINTONMarc Rubinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-35992981773494242812008-08-11T12:06:00.000-07:002008-08-11T12:06:00.000-07:00I am from Michigan and the reason Obama made his a...I am from Michigan and the reason Obama made his announcement that he wanted to include Michigan and Florida came Just days before Michigan was to hold it's August 5 primary for Sstate and Congressional represenatives. He knew the voters would be reminded that HE stood in the way of a redo that we could have scheduled for this primany since the convention would come after the vote and a redo was possible if not for the Obama ruling the DNC. He wanted the voters to think "OK our first vote will count so it wasn't necessary to revote in the August primary". He didn't want them to blame him for not having the redo. He is not holding up well here and as Marc and Heidi have pointed out --This guy is tricky--so he timed the announcement that he wanted the original votes to count so people would not hold him responsible for not having a vote here. How can he make a request that results in the DNC changing the rules? Michigan and Florida will stay the way the rules committee already split them up, he just didn't want the heat.<BR/><BR/> Also I got a Newsletter from the Michigan Democratic Party that show a poll taken July 13-15 by EPIC-MRA showed Obama at 43% and McCain at 41% with a margin of error of 4%. This, a year that the Democrats should have a cake walk. We are flooded with Obama ads. To make my point the poll also shows that Michigan Sen Carl Levin Has 58% verses 32% for his Republican rival. Other Democrats doing well as well.<BR/><BR/>Pass this blog on to show Marc and Heidi's point that this guy will try any trick. Lets see if he can get the original votes counted or if now there will be no more talk about it since the primary chance has passed now.<BR/><BR/>Tie this into the super-delegates being bought.<BR/><BR/>WillowtreeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-28962256366628920532008-08-09T12:55:00.000-07:002008-08-09T12:55:00.000-07:00"With Michigan and Florida seated, Obama leads by ..."With Michigan and Florida seated, Obama leads by 59 delegates?"<BR/><BR/>Actually when you deduct the 55 he was given in Michigan,give Clinton the 4 she was stripped of, and give back the 19 Clinton lost in Fla Obama's delegate lead is only 49 -- 1711 to 1662.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-49261438787338944912008-08-09T12:27:00.000-07:002008-08-09T12:27:00.000-07:00With Michigan and Florida seated, Obama leads by59...With Michigan and Florida seated, Obama leads by<BR/>59 delegates? Funny. Isn't that exactly the number of delegates the RBC assigned to him for Michigan on May 31?<BR/><BR/>nycblueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-14507379272523907412008-08-07T20:48:00.000-07:002008-08-07T20:48:00.000-07:00Hi Marc. There seems to be some confusion among Cl...Hi Marc. There seems to be some confusion among Clinton delegates of whether they need Hillary's permission to sign a petition to put Hillary's name in nomination. I believe that the recent NYT article on the Palo Alto video states that all Hillary needs is 300 signatures and a written request from her to put her name in nomination. At the end of the Palo Alto video, Hillary says clearly, the delegates do not need her permission for any organized action. I guess my question is, is the Obama camp threatening to strip Hillary delegates of their status if they sign a petition using some bogus claim that delegates need her permission before signing?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14642686457343223421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-36734325908469014662008-08-07T14:17:00.000-07:002008-08-07T14:17:00.000-07:00"Restoring full voting rights" in this case means ..."Restoring full voting rights" in this case means exactly what? As you say, in actuality it means BO is now ahead by 50 some delegates. But is that really how this will play out? Given the record of Sen Obama and the DNC up to now I cant imagine this will play out as it should. There will be some fabricated "loophole". I am so tired of all this. As I said in a previous post, all this feels like the Apartheid Government's gerrymandering and manipulative election shenanigans I fought against for many years before immigrating to the USA.tessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17386588384900243102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-8996066190275079742008-08-06T23:12:00.000-07:002008-08-06T23:12:00.000-07:00I wanted to pass along this comment I found on Ama...I wanted to pass along this comment I found on Amazon - on the readers' reviews of the newly released book, The Case Against Barack Obama: The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate by David Freddoso: <BR/> <BR/>By Andrew J. Rodriguez <BR/><BR/>After reading the book I realized it is the kind of writing that people either ferociously agree with its message or hate the author for undermining someone whose qualifications make him worthy of being elected president of the most powerful nation on Earth. <BR/>I am not going to agree with either side. All I wish to express as a former Cuban exile, is that Barack Obama and Fidel Castro share many personality traits, ie: <BR/>Both were abandoned by their fathers at an early age. <BR/>Both are charming, elocuent lawyers that say exactly what people want to hear at the right time and place. <BR/>One never led the nation to suspect he was a communist at heart, the other doesnt mention the word socialism when in reality this is exactly what his agenda stands for. <BR/>Neither Obama nor Fidel ever held a real job either in government or in private enterprise for they think of themselves as demigods unworthy of soiling their hands when their destiny is much larger than their own realities. <BR/>Both were virtually unknown until they began to use the word "change" as their main political motto. <BR/>Both have egos as tall as the twin towers, yet they manage to present themselves humbly, one in soiled military fatigues and the other sweating and with an undone tie. <BR/>Both have the unique ability to distort truth and lies as if they were the same. <BR/>Both have the ability to hypnotize the ignorant and fool the wishful thinker and to divide a nation in classes, (divide and you shall win) In Fidel's case he divided the rich against the poor, the illiterate against the educated and the black against the white. <BR/>In Obama's case even if by omission, he's de-facto dividing the races already. <BR/>Another resemblance between Obama and Fidel and one that shall never be forgotten is that the American media supported the "Twentieth Century Latin American Liberator" (Time Magazine) with the same degree of irresponsibility devoted to Barack Obama today. <BR/>And lastly I'll use the words of Jorge Santayana to finish my case in point: "Those who can't remember the past are condemned to repeat it." <BR/>And in the words of Sir Winston Churchill: "The inherent vice of Capitalism is the unequal distribution of blessings, the inherent vice of Socialism is the equal distribution of misery. <BR/>GOD SAVE AMERICA! <BR/>Signed: Andrew J. Rodriguez, Author of "Adios, Havana," a memoir. Permalink | Was this review helpful to you? (Report this)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-29504539766470899582008-08-06T15:27:00.000-07:002008-08-06T15:27:00.000-07:00Check this out ev1Does this sound familiarThis wil...Check this out ev1<BR/>Does this sound familiar<BR/><BR/>This will be considered off-topic — but it isn’t. I thought I’d share this letter which was sent to the Editor of the Times-Dispatch by a gentlemen who escaped Cuba in the 1960’s. His words come from the experience of believing in someone, without taking the time to know who they really are, and the consequences that followed:<BR/><BR/>Subject: Celebration<BR/><BR/>From Richmond Times-Dispatch, Monday, July 7, 2008 <BR/><BR/>Dear Editor, Times-Dispatch:<BR/><BR/>Each year I get to celebrate Independence Day twice. On June 30 I celebrate my independence day, and on July 4, I celebrate America ’s. This year is special, because it marks the 40th anniversary of my independence.<BR/><BR/>On June 30, 1968, I escaped Communist Cuba, and a few months later, I was in the United States to stay. That I happened to arrive in Richmond on Thanksgiving Day is just part of the story, but I digress.<BR/><BR/>I’ve thought a lot about the anniversary this year. The election-year rhetoric has made me think a lot about Cuba and what transpired there. In the late 1950s, most Cubans thought Cuba needed a change, so when a young leader came along, every Cuban was at least receptive.<BR/><BR/>When the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him. They never questioned who his friends were or what he really believed in. When he said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, everyone followed. When he said he would bring justice and equality to all, everyone said, ‘Praise the Lord.’ And when the young leader said, ‘I will be for change and I’ ll bring you change,’ everone yelled, ‘Viva Fidel!’<BR/><BR/>But nobody asked about the change, so by the time the executioner’s guns went silent, the people’s guns had been taken away. By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By the time everyone received their free education, it was worth nothing. By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for him. By the time the change was finally implemented, Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was over, more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes. You can call those who made it ashore anywhere else in the world the most fortunate Cubans. And now I’m back to the beginning of my story.<BR/><BR/>Luckily, we in America would never fall for a young leader who promised change without asking, what change? How will you carry it out? What will it cost America ?<BR/><BR/>Would we?<BR/><BR/>Manuel Alvarez, JR.<BR/>posted by<BR/>Kathleen | 08.06.08 - 2:48 pm | # <BR/><BR/>——————————————————————————–Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-70686804889738876192008-08-06T03:03:00.000-07:002008-08-06T03:03:00.000-07:00Marc, he has done a deal with Steven Geller to dro...Marc, he has done a deal with Steven Geller to drop his lawsuit. This is the only reason why he has agreed to it. <BR/><BR/>http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6590226Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-57979612521231157332008-08-05T18:13:00.000-07:002008-08-05T18:13:00.000-07:00Obama campaign machine rolls on one calculated ste...Obama campaign machine rolls on one calculated step at a time. That, as stated by others here, original delegate lists were purged and replaced by loyalists, that many delegates from disticts won by Hillary have received generous Hope Funds, that the fix at Denver has been pre-set - back in May I was furious, in June I was livid, now I am plain nauseous.<BR/><BR/>Now is the time for all good men and women to come to the aid of the country. Our political process has fallen victim to serious manipulation devoid of honor, integrity or respect. <BR/><BR/>Delegates, set aside petty party politicking, and do what is good for country as a whole. That's what <B>the voters</B> will be doing in November?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-20457358483487183242008-08-05T06:49:00.000-07:002008-08-05T06:49:00.000-07:00Thanks Marc, this is so important an issue. PUMA P...Thanks Marc, this is so important an issue. PUMA PAC blogs have reported that some Super-delegates have been bought by Obama money and even list who they are, so the "fix" is solidly in place. The following is from an article by John Solomon of the Washington Post dated November 30,2007 "Obama Campaign Worker Discussed PAC Donations", ...Obama's Hopefund Inc. distributed more than $180,000 in donations to political groups and candidates in the early presidential voting states of Iowa, New Hampshire and S. Carolina, and more than $150,000 to federal candidates in other states with primary dates through mid-February. <BR/><BR/>I certainly hope that FL and MI voters see through this charade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-38095084740358951262008-08-05T04:55:00.000-07:002008-08-05T04:55:00.000-07:00But within days of Hillary suspending her campaign...But within days of Hillary suspending her campaign, Obama's staff was down here in Florida purging her delegates and replacing them with his personal selections. I thought it strange at the time and wondered how it was possible. Now I realize why they were doing this. They couldn't take the chance on us being represented as we voted.glennmcgaheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01389970717179863102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-70564890379059104602008-08-05T03:04:00.000-07:002008-08-05T03:04:00.000-07:00We all know he didn't do it or any other reason th...We all know he didn't do it or any other reason than to benefit himself. I am just not sure how it would be favorable to him at this point. But I am very suspicious that there is something to it we do not know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-42049643358453161552008-08-05T02:12:00.000-07:002008-08-05T02:12:00.000-07:00My initial feeling is that it would be totally unc...My initial feeling is that it would be totally uncharacteristic of Obama's M.O. to give away anything he doesn't have to. He does this only because he is absolutely certain it doesn't imperil his nomination. Either he has no intention of letting Hillary's name be placed in nomination, or is for some reason completely confident of his hold on the Super Delegates. But perhaps his arrogance is making him over confident. If the delegate petition gathers enough signatures and Hillary doesn't decline it, things could get interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-25719738512542981462008-08-04T21:03:00.000-07:002008-08-04T21:03:00.000-07:00Excellent -- and absolutely correct -- analysis! T...Excellent -- and absolutely correct -- analysis! This should be required reading for every Democratic delegate and superdelegate. Has it been e-mailed or faxed to them, and to Sen. Clinton? Thank you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-58405424401362740322008-08-04T20:42:00.000-07:002008-08-04T20:42:00.000-07:00This is what The Nation says:"But the delegates wi...This is what The Nation says:<BR/><BR/>"But the delegates will not be voting for Clinton, as this is all about putting the pieces in place for Obama's nomination by acclamation. (Clinton is telling bitter-ender supporters in behind-closed-doors meetings: "Look, what we want to have happen is for Senator Obama to be nominated by a unified convention of Democrats...) "<BR/>Anybody talked to Hillary?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11705488641728625403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-86751983755036433962008-08-04T18:29:00.000-07:002008-08-04T18:29:00.000-07:00Great insight Marc.I am afraid this is more smoke ...Great insight Marc.<BR/>I am afraid this is more smoke than fire given Obama and the DNC's trustworthiness. <BR/>"Or try and pull one out of Jeremiah Wright's hat."<BR/>Hat is not where I think he will try to salvage this sorry attempt at schmoozing the guileless public from. Unless Wright is sitting on his hat.democraticjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15579071012279455005noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-83084138637995885902008-08-04T18:01:00.000-07:002008-08-04T18:01:00.000-07:00It is too little too late for Obama and I am not s...It is too little too late for Obama and I am not sure that Hillary Clinton wants to jump in at this point and clean up the mess. I have allot of respect for Senator Clinton and her abilities, but I am not sure she could even pull this one out of the toilet.<BR/><BR/>There is a "rumor" that Obama will pick Bayh as a running mate. I do believe this is in effect that he has run out of electoral map and now needs Indiana for the win. However, McCain would then need to pick up either PA or MI to get the presidency. Obama did not do well enough in the rural areas to take PA in the general as an easy win. Kerry barely won PA in 2004 and didn't insult anyone who lives there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-42693796601945977372008-08-04T17:52:00.000-07:002008-08-04T17:52:00.000-07:00this looks like BO posturing and media seeking att...this looks like BO posturing and media seeking attention. I will be on the phone w/ the DNC tomorrow and start my e-mail barrage to the RBC in the morning.<BR/><BR/>muchas gracias Marc for the continued insight, clarity and prompt delievries!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-30566414937684044182008-08-04T17:02:00.000-07:002008-08-04T17:02:00.000-07:00This must have been agreed with Mrs. Clinton, kind...This must have been agreed with Mrs. Clinton, kind of a lame effort to help the party down the road in confusing almost everybody. <BR/><BR/>This said, I agree with your analysis, particularly your next to the last paragraph.<BR/><BR/>BAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-14349065713089054682008-08-04T16:55:00.000-07:002008-08-04T16:55:00.000-07:00Excellent post. Thanks for putting it all down in...Excellent post. Thanks for putting it all down in such a clear fashion. Maybe we should mail this to all the TV stations so they had finally figure out what is really going on.Cynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02469492464518899845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-22370727454148360312008-08-04T16:41:00.000-07:002008-08-04T16:41:00.000-07:00Marc,thanks again for a wonderfully insightful pos...Marc,<BR/>thanks again for a wonderfully insightful post. But, doesn't Obama also have to ask to have the delegates seated because he "promised" they would be at some point in the past as long as it wouldn't effect the outcome? Something to that effect. So, what happens with that? There must be some deal somewhere with someones to ensure that the delegate count doesn't shift from where it is right now. Would he risk it, otherwise?<BR/><BR/>VicAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com