tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post3029987187026435830..comments2024-03-07T02:17:34.434-08:00Comments on Tom In Paine: Hillary Clinton and the DNC's Super Delegate Fraud.Marc Rubinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comBlogger141125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-58344589738311177762016-05-31T06:48:38.976-07:002016-05-31T06:48:38.976-07:00These 2016 problems for Trump & Sanders in run...These 2016 problems for Trump & Sanders in running candidates who are not really members of the parties they state they represent.<br /><br />A live warm body Orator is not enough qualification to become President.<br /><br />We need to end parties, or have rules for parties so that "not everything goes" in elections.<br /><br />It's a terrible way to run a country, having quasi-leadership in such esteemed positions of government. The parties have done this to themselves.<br /><br />We need third party for oddballs who can gather movements to keep the two parties on the right track & going into ditches.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00863234038530540216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-2609921386196115162016-05-18T15:00:34.479-07:002016-05-18T15:00:34.479-07:00" I am ready to vote for Trump to make sure s..." I am ready to vote for Trump to make sure she doesn't get the elected!"<br /><br />You and I think about 10 million other Sanders voters and Democrats have only themselves to blame. Its the best way to clean house and rid the Democrats of the political corruption that is what they have become. And defeat the super delegates with primary challenges so in two years Sanders Democrats are running for congress and getting elected. Two years after that a Sanders Democrat can run for president and win.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-90719401270306237472016-05-18T06:41:56.476-07:002016-05-18T06:41:56.476-07:00I will NEVER vote for a lying, cheating, power hun...I will NEVER vote for a lying, cheating, power hungry, war mongering, racist Clinton, who thinks we are all so stupid that we do not see the corruption in her politics. I have watched the voter fraud happening in state after state since Iowa. No one in authority is willing to do anything about it when presented with evidence. We no longer have a democracy, something I believed would never happened. I am at my breaking point. I am ready to vote for Trump to make sure she doesn't get the elected!Sandra C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16763285272670176840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-35631389728454538982016-05-12T07:10:52.984-07:002016-05-12T07:10:52.984-07:00In one word, describe Hillary Clinton.?
Trump Wife...In one word, describe Hillary Clinton.?<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF0CBa57BErHkHnZ8nsZ34w" rel="nofollow">Trump Wife</a>Rose Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04080536952744694488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-57669194764062249632016-04-27T00:37:40.205-07:002016-04-27T00:37:40.205-07:00If Hillary Clinton is elected President in 2016, t...If Hillary Clinton is elected President in 2016, there will be 2 President Clintons in the United States. Bill Clinton has joked about being called the "1st First Gentleman" http://1stfirstgentleman.com/See Through Vloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17749849795472547981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-23698341981482301002016-04-23T12:07:36.191-07:002016-04-23T12:07:36.191-07:00Clinton propaganda? Isn't campaigning little ...Clinton propaganda? Isn't campaigning little more than candidate propaganda? The facts are that Hillary has a commanding lead. She loses caucuses not primaries. She hasn't lost one primary that was closed. She carries by huge margins Democratic voters.<br /><br />Coming up she will add to her lead with the 5 state primaries to come this week. Bernie is carrying the water for the ReThugliTARDS by giving them fodder to use in their ads against Hillary. Have already heard t-RUMP using a Bernie line/lie to attack Hillary.<br /><br />It's time for this fool to head back to Vermont. He is staying way to long at the dance.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-15252372660802108052016-04-11T08:15:21.663-07:002016-04-11T08:15:21.663-07:00It's actually jackass.It's actually jackass.oh-magoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01942976150025908390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-77699405911343022852016-04-11T07:56:31.040-07:002016-04-11T07:56:31.040-07:00The world's first "progressive" neo-...The world's first "progressive" neo-con, with a cabinet guaranteed to include execs from Goldman and Lehman. No thanks. oh-magoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01942976150025908390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-71546802175790319592016-04-02T23:57:34.306-07:002016-04-02T23:57:34.306-07:00Who ever wrote that the Super delegates are for Hi...Who ever wrote that the Super delegates are for Hilary is a fraud, and the supper delegates, are neutral.<br /><br />About the supper delegates? listen to Debbie Wasserman's explanation on a TV, asked to explain the purpose: (she says nothing about DNC rules), she explains - plainly: The Supper Delegates are there to protect the Party and DNC from GRASSROOT ACTIVISTS.<br /><br />Thank U very much. Henry Wymannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-88149524194742166582016-04-01T13:30:58.468-07:002016-04-01T13:30:58.468-07:00" Pledged delegate votes do not count until t..." Pledged delegate votes do not count until they are cast at the convention either."<br /><br />The reason they are called "pledged" is because they are. They are required to vote for the candidate they were voted to go to the convention to vote for. Supers are not. And despite a few who seem to think supers voted at a convention they did not. Whether or not their votes were ADDED after the nomination was decided as window dressing, maybe but I dont consider that a vote. A vote is when votes are cast during a roll call state by state.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-8161647163338161852016-04-01T13:26:29.492-07:002016-04-01T13:26:29.492-07:00Jeremy stout said...
Please source this, "the...Jeremy stout said...<br />Please source this, "they did vote in 1984, 32 years ago, and that it is the only time they ever did, only underscores how rare it is that they do vote"<br />I can not find a source to validate this claim. Trust me, we all hope you are correct"<br /><br />I am correct because my sources are correct. As for your not finding something, are you trying to prove a negative? That they didnt vote? Instead try and find a year since 1984 in which they DID voted. If you cant then its safe to say they didnt vote. Because they didnt.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-43685710409232598352016-04-01T13:22:16.565-07:002016-04-01T13:22:16.565-07:00"Thus far it seems the author has confused a ..."Thus far it seems the author has confused a vote with the 'unpledged' status. Unpledged delegates vote..they are unpledged to stick with their respective State's pick. "<br /><br />Unpledged and super delegates are not the same thing. I hope this clears up your confusion.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-67089299777970206502016-04-01T13:16:07.695-07:002016-04-01T13:16:07.695-07:00"Alexei Christopher Matt said...
Will you sup... "Alexei Christopher Matt said...<br />Will you support Bernie since he has much better chance of winning the general election?"<br /><br />Ive been supporting Bernie from the beginning.And always felt he had a much bigger chance than most were giving him credit for. He has at least proved that much true and I think he will end the primary season with more pledged delegates than Clinton.It wont surprise me if he wins New York, but he doesnt, anything close in small single digits where they virtually split the delegates would be a major blow to Clinton and set Bernie up to win the pledged delegate countMarc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-85213357317145837822016-04-01T13:04:05.173-07:002016-04-01T13:04:05.173-07:00" Anonymous said...
There is a YUGE differenc..." Anonymous said...<br />There is a YUGE difference between what Debbie said and what you keep saying. She said super delegates never determined Democratic nominee (ignoring 1984)"<br /><br />First why ignore 1984 since it was THE ONLY TIME they voted? Second not determining Democratic nominee means to you they voted? Why would they vote if they didnt determine the nominee? For exercise? Third, did you hear her say the media should not be including superdelegates now in delegate totals? Can you figure out why?Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-51285730571231896102016-04-01T12:58:11.252-07:002016-04-01T12:58:11.252-07:00Annonymous said: "On February 2, 2007, the De...Annonymous said: "On February 2, 2007, the Democratic Party published 'Call for the 2008 Democratic National Convention,' the rules governing the convention. There was 3,409.5 pledged delegates ... There was about 823.5 unpledged delegates ... for a total of about 4,233 delegates, requiring 2,117 votes to constitute a majority of the convention" <br /><br />The page lists the vote results:<br /><br />Barack Obama 3,188.5 votes<br />Hillary Clinton 1,010.5 votes<br />Abstentions 1.0 <br />Delegates who did not vote 219.0 <br />Totals 4,419.0 <br /><br />The page lists huh. What page is that? Wikipedia?Your powers of observation are truly impressive. <br /><br />It's dated Feb.7 2007 and lists the results of a nominating convention that didnt take place until August of 2008. Very impressive. Can they predict winners at the track too? Who wrote it? You? Or Rod Serling? I wont go into all the rest that was wrong not the least of which that in 2008 Obama was finally nominated in the end by acclimation which was the official result, meaning ALL delegates ( thats what we call them in our secret meetings -- delegates not votes) were cast for Obama. Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-28362219052380351262016-04-01T12:44:41.083-07:002016-04-01T12:44:41.083-07:00"Mirtos said...
This is untrue. They vote in ..."Mirtos said...<br />This is untrue. They vote in primaries, yes as individuals, but they also vote in the convention. And they have in pretty much every convention. To say they dont is untrue.<br /><br />The information you cite is that they havent made a difference.."<br /><br />Again you are someone who doesnt have a clue. They do NOT always vote they have NOT voted since 1984, they did NOT vote in 2008 and its not that they didnt make a difference, they didnt vote. Whether they didnt vote because it wasnt necessary as would be the case if the requisite number of delegates were won in primaries or there was only one nominee as with Obama in 2012, Kerry in 2004 or Gore in 2000 is besides the point. The point is they havent voted. Period.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-40669168237118451422016-04-01T12:38:20.345-07:002016-04-01T12:38:20.345-07:00"Marc, the problem with your expose is that i..."Marc, the problem with your expose is that it minimizes the Very Real Threat the superdelegates are!"<br /><br />Everything I have read from many sources all agree the super delegate system is not just dumb its undemocratic. So far in only voting once,they upheld Mondale who won the most pledged delegates and only voted to bring him up to the number he technically needed. Is it possible they could be stupid enough to go against the pledged delegate leader? Democrats do have a knack for finding ways to lose but if they did they'd bring the Democratic party to its knees, Sanders voters would never support Clinton and they'd get killed in congress too. Is it possible they could be that stupid? Yes. Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-57077560165647504182016-04-01T12:32:27.464-07:002016-04-01T12:32:27.464-07:00Anonymous said...
Guys.
I don't claim to kno...Anonymous said...<br />Guys. <br /><br />I don't claim to know all that much about American politics, BUT from what I do understand, this claim is false. Super delegates have voted in every election since 1984, which is the one time they influenced the result. <br /><br /><br />Youre right about one thing: you dont know much about American politics.And about this you know nothing. You are 100% wrong. They havent voted since 1984. Which is why super delegates arent even included in the percentage of delegates needed to nominate. The number must be reached NOT INCLUDING supers who would only vote if requested and havent been since 1984.So what you understand is wrong.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-11751790998223677682016-04-01T12:27:05.541-07:002016-04-01T12:27:05.541-07:00"I for one would still like to see the rules ..."I for one would still like to see the rules of the democratic convention."<br /><br />Since they are always changing the rules and doing it behind closed doors it might be hard to find what the rules will be in July right now. You could try and find the "2008 Call to the Convention" from the last presidential election. That is given out to all convention goers and includes the nominating rules.Its like a program.<br /><br />As for right now, just do some math as I pointed out to two others. There are 4763 total potential delegates which includes 712 supers. The 2383 figure widely published as needed to win the nomination is only half of that total.So it cant include supers. If you subtract the supers (which is proof in itself that they are not counted on to vote) you get 4051.<br /><br />2383 is 60% of that number. The difference between 60% and 66% (or 2/3) can be explained two ways: they either changed the rules since 2008 so it takes 60% not 66%, OR there are a number of "at large" delegates which are different from supers or pledged (Washington state has a number of them and so does Iowa)and subtracting those from 4051 could bring the 2383 number up to 66% or 2/3.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-63261574645055201372016-04-01T12:17:48.104-07:002016-04-01T12:17:48.104-07:00Cinthya Carbajal said...
Kim Metcalfe is another s...Cinthya Carbajal said...<br />Kim Metcalfe is another super delegate, from Alaska who says that she will vote for Clinton even though the majority of her state voted for sanders.<br /><br />Sad to say these are party hacks of which there are too many who have made a deal in return for something that clearly has more to do with what they were promised personally than being honest. All the more reason the party needs someone like Sanders to clean house. I would also take odds that they will change their minds if Sanders goes to the convention and the tide turns because these people are have no integrity and will turn on Clinton in a minute if they see she wont deliver what was promised.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-60060876635492045292016-04-01T12:12:33.691-07:002016-04-01T12:12:33.691-07:00Vibraphonist said...
I understand, super delegate...Vibraphonist said...<br /> I understand, super delegates almost voted in 2008, but then did not. This Wikipedia entry suggests they did. Would you claim this a false entry?<br /><br />It is a 100% false entry.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-32338908718202650682016-03-31T22:40:49.043-07:002016-03-31T22:40:49.043-07:00It would be great if accurate. It is not. Superdel...It would be great if accurate. It is not. Superdelegates have voted at every convention. Only in 1984 were their votes decisive. Go back through the convention tool call votes for documentation. Pledged delegate votes do not count until they are cast at the convention either.MaryPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06345620535560615863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-76508998911984768332016-03-31T14:55:06.776-07:002016-03-31T14:55:06.776-07:00Now this statement clears things up! They do vote,...Now this statement clears things up! They do vote, at the convention. And not only in the case of tie..jeremy stouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07302947857036748224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-8089437061198033932016-03-31T14:46:34.015-07:002016-03-31T14:46:34.015-07:00A superdelegate's pledge is only as useful as ...A superdelegate's pledge is only as useful as a poll number. Their vote counts as a vote. You've certainly done your part in exciting this conversation! Still googling like a madman to find proof that superdelegates do not vote, except in mitigating circumstances. jeremy stouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07302947857036748224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-79503637026557847352016-03-31T14:35:22.114-07:002016-03-31T14:35:22.114-07:00Please source this, "they did vote in 1984, 3...Please source this, "they did vote in 1984, 32 years ago, and that it is the only time they ever did, only underscores how rare it is that they do vote"<br />I can not find a source to validate this claim. Trust me, we all hope you are correct.jeremy stouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07302947857036748224noreply@blogger.com