tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post2094108763837803998..comments2024-03-07T02:17:34.434-08:00Comments on Tom In Paine: THE TORTURE MEMOS AND THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S TORTURED LOGIC.Marc Rubinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-88668618669150660812009-04-23T12:56:00.000-07:002009-04-23T12:56:00.000-07:00http://www.salon.com/
opinion/greenwald/2007/12/09...http://www.salon.com/<br />opinion/greenwald/2007/12/09/<br />democrats/<br /><br /><br />So...can we look forward to Rockefeller, Graham, Pelosi or any other Dems being investigated??? I think NOT!!!<br /><br /><br /><br />Sunday Dec. 9, 2007 08:00 EST<br />Democratic complicity in Bush's torture regimen<br /><br />(updated below)<br /><br />The Washington Post reports today that the Bush administration, beginning in 2002, repeatedly briefed leading Congressional Democrats on the Senate and House Intelligence Committees -- including, at various times, Jay Rockefeller, Nancy Pelosi, and Jane Harman -- regarding the CIA's "enhanced interrogation methods," including details about waterboarding and other torture measures. With one exception (Harman, who vaguely claims to have sent a letter to the CIA), these lawmakers not only failed to object to these policies, but affirmatively supported them.<br /><br /><br />Jay Rockefeller was one of the key Democrats briefed on the torture methods who never objected. But it's far worse than that. In September, 2006, Rockefeller was one of 12 Senate Democrats to vote in favor of the Military Commissions Act, one of the principal purposes of which was to explicitly authorize the CIA's "enhanced interrogation program" to proceed (even though it continues to be illegal under the Geneva Conventions). Thus, not only did Rockefeller remain silent when continuously briefed on illegal torture methods by the CIA, he then voted to legalize those methods by voting in favor of one of the most Draconian laws in modern American history. That law also retroactively immunized government officials from any liability for past lawbreaking.<br /><br /><br />-- Glenn Greenwald<br /><br /> *Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-49512395672071590562009-04-23T10:40:00.000-07:002009-04-23T10:40:00.000-07:00They did find out about the Asian group that was g...They did find out about the Asian group that was going to do a "9/11" style attack on the library building in Los Angeles which saved many lives. Obama is not one to be spouting any moralistic rhetoric.Clairenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-1681519225304594192009-04-23T05:49:00.000-07:002009-04-23T05:49:00.000-07:00I'm glad he did it!I'm glad he did it!Nolanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-75404494390812984312009-04-22T15:19:00.000-07:002009-04-22T15:19:00.000-07:00Here is yet another example of no-convictions, fli...Here is yet another example of no-convictions, flip-flop Obama-<br />As far as I can tell- he has not made one decision on his own- is it me or does he go which ever way the wind is blowing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-29749733949280146362009-04-21T10:01:00.000-07:002009-04-21T10:01:00.000-07:00"is Obama trying to dig his own grave w/ this one?..."is Obama trying to dig his own grave w/ this one? "<br /><br />He may not be trying but he is well on his way to doing that. Senator Feinstein has already came out voicing a position different from his saying she may very well want to investigate and hold Bush Administration officials accountable and may do so regardless of what Obama thinks.<br /><br />This is where Obama's history of trying to play both sides of an issue to avoid controversy because he has no clear cut conviction may put him in a very difficult political position.<br /><br />Releasing the memos was clearly the right thing to do. And so is prosecuting the people in the White House responsibile.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-10055079411829302342009-04-21T09:58:00.000-07:002009-04-21T09:58:00.000-07:00In releasing these memos, Obama has cited the "rul...In releasing these memos, Obama has cited the "rule of law" which we should follow. Ha! ha! ha! That's a good laugh for those of us who knows he broke every rule of law to become president, starting with disenfranchsing voters in FL and MI, paying super-delegates to vote for him, not allowing an honest roll call vote in Denver, perhaps not even being eligible under our constitution to be president. Yet he releases these memos pretending to care about the "rule of law" and "American values". Obama sends out so many mixed messages that one has to wonder what his hidden agenda is.susan hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-63674283036884525642009-04-21T09:48:00.000-07:002009-04-21T09:48:00.000-07:00So, my question remains- why were these memos rel...So, my question remains- why were these memos released?<br />If the Bush administration broke international as well as national laws- which appears to be so from the release of the memos- it seems like a no-brainer to me to further investigate and prosecute said offenders.<br />But why release the memos, say "well, mistakes were made but we are moving forward"? It doesn't make sense to me- is Obama trying to dig his own grave w/ this one? He should know that many of his supporters are outraged by this lack of action.<br />And the right wing is incensed by their perception of his "treason".<br />So how does Obama win in this situation?<br />I know Obama too well to know that he is carefully calculated in everything he does- there was a reason behind this.<br />And this was one more reason that this life-long dyed in the wool democrat felt perfectly OK voting for McCain- McCain's stand on torture- and again- McCain speaks on this issue w/ a true passion and knowledge- unlike Obama's flat delivery yesterday to the CIA- read straight off the teleprompters.suenoreply@blogger.com