tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post197872552546314800..comments2024-03-07T02:17:34.434-08:00Comments on Tom In Paine: Dr. Jonathan Dranov puts final nail in media coffin regarding Joe Paterno.Marc Rubinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-65563959873776670282012-06-22T19:35:33.778-07:002012-06-22T19:35:33.778-07:00"The author of the piece and most the comment..."The author of the piece and most the commentors are moron's.<br /><br />Just for the sake of argument consider Dranov is lying?.."<br /><br />From todays Sporting News on the Sandusky guilty verdict:<br /><br />"...Jurors also reheard the testimony of a McQueary family friend, Dr. Jonathan Dranov, who said that McQueary told him a different version of the story that didn't include sexual contact.<br /> <br />McQueary, however, also testified that he hadn't told Dranov everything that he saw."<br /><br />You have now officially gone past the moron stage, passed imbecility and are now declared officially brain dead.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-83428610987227235912012-06-22T10:04:28.239-07:002012-06-22T10:04:28.239-07:00"...Just for the sake of argument consider Dr..."...Just for the sake of argument consider Dranov is lying?"<br /><br />Only a true moron would ask a question and make a supposition based on their own self deluded fantasies for which they have not a shred of evidence and then draw a conclusion. And since McQueary's sworn testimony at trial under oath corroborates most of everything Dranov said he was told, you have passed the threshold of being a moron into imbecility.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-3555184491080688312012-06-11T21:29:00.375-07:002012-06-11T21:29:00.375-07:00The author of the piece and most the commentors ar...The author of the piece and most the commentors are moron's.<br /><br />Just for the sake of argument consider Dranov is lying?<br /><br />Of course he is, Why were sex sounds in the shower not enough to inform police anyway? That's a rediculous point of view. That's why Dranov "doesn't get it". No, think about it, Dranov pushed McQueary in the direction that would protect Penn State. That's obvious, he loses all credibility. Now he has to cover-up that he did that. That's the way it looks to me. Lots of hide the pedophile(s) going on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-77911479379902179752012-04-22T14:11:06.368-07:002012-04-22T14:11:06.368-07:00This information is priceless. Where can I find ou...This information is priceless. Where can I find out more?<br /><i>my webpage</i> > <b><a href="http://www.myindustrialinjuryclaims.com/asbestosis" rel="nofollow">Posted by My Industrial Injury Claims.com</a></b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-81829913595416525372012-01-15T13:31:10.488-08:002012-01-15T13:31:10.488-08:00Dranov knows he's on thin ice. Pennsylvania st...Dranov knows he's on thin ice. Pennsylvania state law, Cons. Stat. Tit. 23, § 6311, lists "licensed physicians" among those who are required to report suspicions of child abuse and neglect.<br /><br />McQueary's memory seems shoddy, changing and convenient to suit his situation. His promotion to Coach seems oddly-timed, and one wonders if that is what sealed his silence for 10 years.<br /><br />Paterno's excuses are amazing. He didn't know that boys can be raped? He thought that following university procedure was the highest priority? Really? He told McQueary that "you did what you had to do," (IOW, your job is over, lemme handle it). Now Paterno would "figure out what we <b>want</b> to do." Really, Joe? Why not report it, as is required in 18 states?<br /><br />It seems likely that over a 9.9 year period, both Paterno and "Big Red" McQueary would see Sandusky on campus, and perhaps with a young boy in tow. How about at the Alamo Bowl? And why did Sandusky get preferential treatment to see Paterno's 400th win? Amazing...<br /><br />State law encouraged them report. Cons. Stat. Tit. 23, § 6312: "Any person who has reason to <b>suspect</b> that a child is abused or neglected may report."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-47211625251668700702011-12-29T13:21:50.995-08:002011-12-29T13:21:50.995-08:00"first time only time incident at Penn State&..."first time only time incident at Penn State"<br /><br />Do you really believe that pedophiles have sex only once a year? decade? lifetime? They have sex MORE OFTEN than non-pedophiles. They wake up thinking of children and go to sleep thinking of children. Sex with children defines them. It's what they do. You can bet that Penn State shower room was a regular trysting spot for Sandusky.<br /><br />It seems that most Paterno defenders now believe that Sandusky must be exonerated in order for Paterno to be exonerated. The resulting defenses of Sandusky are sickening. Stop defending the indefensible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-9634415599031068312011-12-28T08:17:54.773-08:002011-12-28T08:17:54.773-08:00".. perhaps someone could explain something f...".. perhaps someone could explain something for me. It is alleged that the PSU shower room was Sandusky's favorite location for sexual activity..."<br /><br />I dont know where you saw, read or heard such an allegation but it is false. What McQeary witnessed as a first time only time incident at Penn State involving Sandusky, there is nothing in any grand jury investigation to indicate otherwise and no one with any credible information has alleged anything different. The allegation is false based on every current investigation including the grand jury investigation and had it been credible anyone with any such knowledge would have been indicted by the grand jury for failing to report child abuse. To date the only people indicted on that count has been Tim Curley and Gary Schultz for allegedly failing to act on the information given to them by Paterno and McQueary about this one incident.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-5154042075672484402011-12-28T08:12:11.197-08:002011-12-28T08:12:11.197-08:00"Based only on what you say Paterno claimed h..."Based only on what you say Paterno claimed he was told - a 60 year old man in a shower naked with a 10 year old that was no relation to him - he should have sounded the alarm, reported to child services and never let that man on the campus with children again. "<br /><br />Actually its you who are not only sick but your reading comprehension is on life support and your ability to assimilate information is pathetic.<br /><br />Paterno did every one of the things you say he should have done, it's common knowledge, it's in the grand jury report and its only because you are obviously a trained seal for the news media, have no reading comprehension and are wrapped up in your own sanctimonuous fantasies that you dont know it.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-48370126834869368902011-12-24T07:59:33.467-08:002011-12-24T07:59:33.467-08:00Great, is every adult in State College a pass-the-...Great, is every adult in State College a pass-the-buck slimebag? Paterno, Dranov, Curley, Spannier, maybe that town should just be nuked.curmudgeonly-eccentrichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07351598837017598042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-29368518406844188612011-12-23T13:48:10.145-08:002011-12-23T13:48:10.145-08:00I admit that I am not as knowledgeable about this ...I admit that I am not as knowledgeable about this matter as others on this blog so perhaps someone could explain something for me. It is alleged that the PSU shower room was Sandusky's favorite location for sexual activity. Indeed, a PSU janitor and a PSU assistant football coach have made just such allegations against him. What I cannot understand is this : If Sandusky's sexual frequency was anywhere near that of most men (and I doubt not that it was), he must have, over the years, committed hundreds upon hundreds of assaults in that shower room. How could only two people have witnessed such assaults over all those years? Do coaches usually shower at home so they would not necessarily have occasion to see Sandusky "at work"? Did Coach Paterno, as Head Coach, have a private shower? It's all quite confusing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-8001755573389643932011-12-21T16:45:12.015-08:002011-12-21T16:45:12.015-08:00You are a sick man. Based only on what you say Pa...You are a sick man. Based only on what you say Paterno claimed he was told - a 60 year old man in a shower naked with a 10 year old that was no relation to him - he should have sounded the alarm, reported to child services and never let that man on the campus with children again. He did nothing. NOTHING! I don't care what the media said or says about Paterno. He's morally corrupt. And, your bizarre defense of his corruption in the guise of being against "media sensationalism" is merely an apology for someone who would overlook child abuse for the almighty football dollar.<br /><br />I dare you to print this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-91032048446901314592011-12-21T13:42:20.869-08:002011-12-21T13:42:20.869-08:00Outstanding article. Very well researched and bac...Outstanding article. Very well researched and backed with facts. Thank you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-86801742740950651442011-12-20T15:40:54.724-08:002011-12-20T15:40:54.724-08:00Let's act like the media and media lovers. McQ...Let's act like the media and media lovers. McQuery planned all this and has a motive to bring down Paterno and PSU. He is in bed with the media for big bucks so he can be a sports commentator on ESPN. He wanted to be head coacj. Now, does this sound silly or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-61943532711393569552011-12-20T15:36:39.257-08:002011-12-20T15:36:39.257-08:00The news media can even make intelligent people(BO...The news media can even make intelligent people(BOT) do evil things. "We had to make a move and fire Paterno at 10:00pm because of media pressure" This is the quote and you dumb ass haters and lame brain media clones need to get a real life. Just remember, what goes around, comes around. You think!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-18742647901663117542011-12-20T14:04:10.635-08:002011-12-20T14:04:10.635-08:00"Joe Paterno is also a public figure. He woul..."Joe Paterno is also a public figure. He would have to show actual malice to prevail in a libel suit. Next time at least consult a lawyer before you spew moronic legal ignorance"<br /><br /><br />I really shouldnt waste any more time on a legal idiot like you but just to show that when i call you a legal idiot and a moron Im not just calling you names but describing you accurately since you think you know what youre talking about I am printing the defintition of libel from a legal dictionary:<br /><br />"Collectively known as defamation, libel and slander are civil wrongs that harm a reputation; decrease respect, regard, or confidence; or induce disparaging, hostile, or disagreeable opinions or feelings against an individual or entity. The injury to one's good name or reputation is affected through written or spoken words or visual images. The laws governing these torts are identical.<br /><br />To recover in a libel or slander suit, the plaintiff must show evidence of four elements: that the defendant conveyed a defamatory message; that the material was published, meaning that it was conveyed to someone other than the plaintiff; that the plaintiff could be identified as the person referred to in the defamatory material; and that the plaintiff suffered some injury to his or her reputation as a result of the communication."<br /><br />This fits what happened to Paterno like a glove.<br /><br />When i said I wasnt a lawyer but could turn you into sawdust in any legal forum I wasnt kidding. You are a jerk. And if you think that's libel sue me.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-56460893513500591752011-12-20T13:53:07.129-08:002011-12-20T13:53:07.129-08:00"Not only were the papers and other news/spor..."Not only were the papers and other news/sports outlets reporting on matter of public interest, Joe Paterno is also a public figure. He would have to show actual malice to prevail in a libel suit. Next time at least consult a lawyer before you spew moronic legal ignorance."<br /><br />The other thing that makes you a legal idiot aside from what Ive already pointed out, is that when I described the second component for libel I described it as "knowing that the false statements would cause damage" to the person being libeled. "knowing a false statement would cause damage" to most people with 2c for a brain would indicte "malice."<br /><br />Maybe you also need to read up on the definition and requirements for defamation. Again, I hope your not a lawyer because you sound like a bad one and the kind that give lawyers a bad name. No wonder you want to remain anonymous.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-869984364522010992011-12-20T13:34:33.508-08:002011-12-20T13:34:33.508-08:00"Joe Paterno is also a public figure. He woul..."Joe Paterno is also a public figure. He would have to show actual malice to prevail in a libel suit. Next time at least consult a lawyer before you spew moronic legal ignorance"<br /><br />Its you who are ignorant and I feel sorry for your clients if you are a lawyer and wonder how you could have passed the bar but thats not my problem. Im not a lawyer but know the law and legal concepts and argument and I have no doubt that on any legal issue I could turn you into sawdust in a court room or a debate. Assuming you arent already sawdust.<br /><br />You stupidly leave out the first component of libel which is knowing that what you are writing is false. You are clearly a legal idiot.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-66826327212643234682011-12-20T13:29:32.197-08:002011-12-20T13:29:32.197-08:00"What is interesting is that you condemn McQu..."What is interesting is that you condemn McQueary for changing his story but not Paterno."<br /><br />Paterno never changed his story. His first and only public comment(because the trustees gagged him after making it and cancelled his press conference) is that as far as what McQueary told him, he, Paterno said he "was never told the details and specifics by McQueary that McQueary eventually told the grand jury".<br /><br />How is that changing his story? All the subsequent testimony supports Paterno's first and only public statement.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-63953921329974099502011-12-20T13:23:02.198-08:002011-12-20T13:23:02.198-08:00Yesterday, he described what he saw "was extr...Yesterday, he described what he saw "was extremely sexual and that some kind of intercourse was going on.”<br /><br />According to the GJP, Paterno said that McQueary "had seen Sandusky in the Lasch building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy." <br />Yesterday, Paterno’s testimony was shared: He (McQueary) had seen a person, an older person, fondling a young boy," Paterno testified. "I don't know what you would call it, but it was of a sexual nature. I didn't push Mike to describe it .."<br /><br />Two points: "something of a sexual nature" and "fondling a young boy" because McQueary was generalizing is a far cry from media reports that<br /> "Paterno knew a ten year old was being raped in a shower and didnt report it". <br /><br />Paterno did exactly as he should with what he was told since even the "fondling a young boy" which are Paterno's words, are not specific because he was givent a vague characterization by McQueary.<br /><br />Second, McQueary said in his direct testimony that what he saw was "severe sexual contact" then says he didnt report it to the police because "it was delicate in nature". Without being able to cross examine, it is hard to know in what way McQueary was describing sexual contact but obviously gave no specifics as to what he meant by "fondling". But we do know this: the grand jury indicted Curley and Schultz for not reporting child abuse and Paterno wasnt.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-63415293910392442462011-12-20T13:10:48.773-08:002011-12-20T13:10:48.773-08:00"We do not even know how Dranov framed his qu..."We do not even know how Dranov framed his questions to McQuery."<br /><br />Actually we do know. Janov said he asked McQueary three times if he saw any sexual contact take place in the shower and three times McQueary told him no. "Any sexual contact" is pretty specific.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-41350674897545864392011-12-20T13:08:54.882-08:002011-12-20T13:08:54.882-08:00"Marc,
You are such a brilliant commenter on..."Marc,<br /><br />You are such a brilliant commenter on the political scene that I have to ask why you aren't doing more of it?"<br /><br />Thanks for the compliment and I intend on getting back to the sorry state of our politics and policies. But the connection is that I have always felt that the single biggest contributer to our political and policy problems is how dishonestly the news media does its job. And its been going on for too long. What the media did to Joe Paterno was so blatant, so dishonest, so devoid of any kind of journalistic principle or honesty that it needed to be exposed and addressed and judging by the approximately 100-1 email and comments I've recieved in favor of what Ive been writing, people are finally getting fed up with what passes for journalism in our country. But I will be getting back to politics probably after one more general peice on the news media and what people can do about them.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-52141505284347120972011-12-20T13:03:39.785-08:002011-12-20T13:03:39.785-08:00"I have no inside information, just a hunch, ..."I have no inside information, just a hunch, that Joe Paterno was fired because he tried to dictate to PSU's Trustees how & when he was going to resign."<br /><br />Youre hunch might be a good one that the trustees used this as an excuse to fire Paterno which they have wanted to do for a long time. The fact that substantiates this is that with all the false information put out by the media at the time, and with so much hinging on what Paterno knew, at no time did one trustee pick up a phone and ask Paterno exactly what he knew. Not then, not now. Because it looks like it really didnt matter to them.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-18326458128616744812011-12-20T13:00:52.672-08:002011-12-20T13:00:52.672-08:00"So his first and only public statement was a..."So his first and only public statement was a lie! He didn't know all the details but he knew sexual and fondling so to tell the public he didn't know any is a lie. I agree with the last comment, just admit your defeat!"<br /><br />Is it just a coincidence that the people who still want to defend the news media for all their lies an fabrications have the reading comprehension of a potted plant? Just to make it clear to you, Paterno said he was never given the details and specifics that McQueary gave to the grand jury.<br /><br />From reports of his testimony:<br /><br />"McQueary testified on Friday that he did not go into graphic detail with Paterno about what he had witnessed out of respect for Paterno". <br /><br />Some vague reference to "something of a sexual nature" is not what McQueary specifcally told Paterno. You are just referring to a summary and general conclusion of Paterno's and not Paterno's verbatim testimony so after all this you still dont know what you are talking about. One thing we do know which you conveniently want to ignore - press statements that Paterno was told that a ten year old boy was being raped in the shower was a total lie and thats what was reported. But you dont want to admit the lie do you?Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-72840887842035001662011-12-20T12:54:25.859-08:002011-12-20T12:54:25.859-08:00"Hey marc, I love how you left out the part a..."Hey marc, I love how you left out the part about paterno saying he knew it was fondling AND stated sexual in nature. You also forgot the quote that he didn't call right away because he didn't want to interrupt his weekend."<br /><br />The people who dont want to admit they were made fools of like this one will grasp at anything. He didnt call right away? YOU are in a position to decide what soon enough is? He called two days later. You dont like it? Too bad. ESPN did nothing for 9 years. No one did anything for years. The DA did nothing for years. The school where Sandusky was allowed to pick up his shower victim and take him off school grounds over the objection of his mother did nothing. And you want to justify Paterno's firing and all the news media's lies and fabrications because you dont think he jumped fast enough for you? You and the news media deserve each other. You are as pathetic as they are. Im sure they are grateful for people like you to keep them afloat.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3820377390281203107.post-35236122008327577052011-12-20T12:48:03.581-08:002011-12-20T12:48:03.581-08:00"The fact is Joe Paterno testified under oath..."The fact is Joe Paterno testified under oath that he was told something sexual in nature occurred in the shower between Sandusky and a young boy. He and Penn State did next to nothing for 9+ years"<br /><br />You are blinded by your own hate and stupidiy and ignorance. Paterno reported what he was told the following Monday, two days after he met with McQueary not 9 years as you ignorantly believe. It was ESPN who did nothing for 9 years with the Bernie Fine tape. Get your hate mongering and phony defense of children straight. Its always the people making the most noise about who is evil that always turn out to be the ones committing the evil.Marc Rubinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10746456438052849715noreply@blogger.com